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garmin export duplicates some course points

garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:47 pm

If I open the file in the plug in I can see "the" 35 course points I want but when sending to a Garmin it ends with 51.
By exploring the raw file we can see that some points where duplicated having gained a "<" at the beginning.

Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1181.96 m type 7 name >DIR01A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1204.84 m type 7 name DIR01A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1633.65 m type 6 name >ESQ01A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1662.06 m type 6 name ESQ01A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1818.98 m type 1 name T01A Ipeun
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 3754.3 m type 4 name TiaGreg
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4172.03 m type 0 name Matinha ES
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4185.53 m type 7 name >DIR02B Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4208.65 m type 7 name DIR02B Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4425.46 m type 7 name >DIR02C Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4452.39 m type 7 name DIR02C Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4461.74 m type 6 name >ESQ01B Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 4483.6 m type 6 name ESQ01B Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 5212.87 m type 7 name >DIR02A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 5233.76 m type 7 name DIR02A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 6647.93 m type 2 name S3A-5,0K@7
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 11624.21 m type 1 name T02A DIR I
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 11682.94 m type 0 name Opcao2 Pen
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 15233.35 m type 2 name S4A-2,0@4,
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 15268.16 m type 3 name Cachoeira
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 17257.41 m type 1 name T03A ESQ I
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 19560.28 m type 6 name >ESQ02A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 19587.87 m type 6 name ESQ02A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 21936.45 m type 0 name Opcao3 Bor
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 27569.32 m type 7 name >DIR05A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 27596.5 m type 7 name DIR05A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 29391.72 m type 2 name S5A-1,9@5,
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 31200.59 m type 1 name T04A Ipeun
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 31631 m type 6 name >ESQ03A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 31659.72 m type 6 name ESQ03A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 33445.17 m type 7 name >Dir06A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 33475.46 m type 7 name Dir06A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 33775.45 m type 2 name S5A-1,5@6,
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 35275.02 m type 1 name T05A DIR I
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 35499.89 m type 6 name >ESQ04A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 35528.23 m type 6 name ESQ04A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 35628.09 m type 0 name Opcao4 Lev
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 36720.92 m type 1 name T06F Ipeun
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 38358.23 m type 7 name >DIR07A Ve
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 38384.76 m type 7 name DIR07A Vei
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 38899.2 m type 4 name Propriedad
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 42320.5 m type 7 name >DIR08A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 42347.83 m type 7 name DIR08A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 46318.86 m type 2 name S6A-1,3@6,
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 47528.59 m type 6 name >ESQ06A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 47556.96 m type 6 name ESQ06A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 47999.44 m type 6 name >ESQ07A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 48027.25 m type 6 name ESQ07A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 49023.88 m type 6 name >ESQ08A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 49052.04 m type 6 name ESQ08A Ipe
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 49247.63 m type 3 name Camping Re

The ones with "<" in the beginning were not created by me but were included when exporting the file...

Appreciate your help.
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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:44 am

Marcos Saad wrote:If I open the file in the plug in I can see "the" 35 course points I want but when sending to a Garmin it ends with 51.
By exploring the raw file we can see that some points where duplicated having gained a "<" at the beginning.

Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1181.96 m type 7 name >DIR01A Ip
Data 6 course_point timestamp 6.31E+08 position_lat -2.7E+08 semicircles position_long -5.7E+08 semicircles distance 1204.84 m type 7 name DIR01A Ipe
....

The ones with "<" in the beginning were not created by me but were included when exporting the file...

Appreciate your help.


Yep, that's a feature of the plugin.
There's a configuration switch on the plugin's settings page that creates turn warnings before the actual course point.
I added this, because I found it annoying that my Garmin announced turns at the very moment when I had just passed them.
Change these config switch(es) and you're done.

turns.png
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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:12 am

First of all thank you for the prompt response.

But I'm still a little bit confused:

1) At least for the Fenix 5x it appears that the turn warning counts as a clue point but if you upload the same exported fit file to Ride With GPS they are not showed... could you please elaborate more?
2) The check box on the Export to Garmin says "warnings for Left/Right/Summit/Valley but if you look at file only right and left warning were created. Summit and Valley no. I've used but what about the others types of turns?

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:09 pm

Marcos Saad wrote:First of all thank you for the prompt response.

But I'm still a little bit confused:

1) At least for the Fenix 5x it appears that the turn warning counts as a clue point but if you upload the same exported fit file to Ride With GPS they are not showed... could you please elaborate more?
2) The check box on the Export to Garmin says "warnings for Left/Right/Summit/Valley but if you look at file only right and left warning were created. Summit and Valley no. I've used but what about the others types of turns?

My best regards,

Re 1) I'm not sure if I understand and I can't commet what "Ride With GPS" shows or doesn't show.
Re 2) Hhm, I've meanwhile changed the plugin code so that warnings are created for these types of course points:
CoursePointType.Danger
CoursePointType.Left
CoursePointType.Right
CoursePointType.Straight
CoursePointType.LeftFork
CoursePointType.RightFork
CoursePointType.MiddleFork
CoursePointType.SlightLeft
CoursePointType.SharpLeft
CoursePointType.SlightRight
CoursePointType.SharpRight
CoursePointType.UTurn
CoursePointType.SegmentStart
CoursePointType.SegmentEnd
I.e. the explanation on the settings page is no longer correct.

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:50 am

Hi, tks again in advance.

You probably know Ridewithgps.com and gpsies.com, both websites/apps allow you to manage clue points.
Gpsies also allows you to manually set "turn warnings" in "x" distance.
When I first got the problem navigating the course with a Garmin Fenix 5x I upload the "Export to Garmin .fit file" directly from Fenix 5x to those websites to see what was wrong because I pretty sure I had only 35 clue points...
Garmin Fenix 5x was telling me I had more than 50 (51 actually) clue points and would be cutting 1 but when looking to the same file at RideWithGPS and Gpsies they were showing exactly the 35 clue points I had originally created. No turn warning points were uploaded/showed.
So, here are my questions:
1) by my own user experience "turn warnings" behave different from the associated course points (manually created clue points) so, do they have a different file format, prefix "<" ? because the watch recognizes them but not the apps in general.
2) By being different, is it normal the watch count them as clue points?

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:52 am

Marcos Saad wrote:Hi, tks again in advance.

You probably know Ridewithgps.com and gpsies.com, both websites/apps allow you to manage clue points.
Gpsies also allows you to manually set "turn warnings" in "x" distance.
When I first got the problem navigating the course with a Garmin Fenix 5x I upload the "Export to Garmin .fit file" directly from Fenix 5x to those websites to see what was wrong because I pretty sure I had only 35 clue points...
Garmin Fenix 5x was telling me I had more than 50 (51 actually) clue points and would be cutting 1 but when looking to the same file at RideWithGPS and Gpsies they were showing exactly the 35 clue points I had originally created. No turn warning points were uploaded/showed.
So, here are my questions:
1) by my own user experience "turn warnings" behave different from the associated course points (manually created clue points) so, do they have a different file format, prefix "<" ? because the watch recognizes them but not the apps in general.
2) By being different, is it normal the watch count them as clue points?

Than you ,

The "turn warnings" are just normal course points - nothing special. The ">" prefix is just for the human eye.
If you have any issues with this feature, simply switch it off.
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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:11 pm

No issue at all, just understanding it completely.
My watch has a limit of 50 coursepoints so as if they i.g were all "turns" I have to keep on 25, or uncheck the box to create the associate coursepoint as well.
You said "2) Hhm, I've meanwhile changed the plugin code so that warnings are created for these types of course points:". When will it be available?

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:36 pm

Hi OMB,

At least for me the case is solved!
I've just learned from McBadger that Garmin Fenix 5x automatically generates warnings itself so I'll be able to disable the "turn warnings" function.
https://forums.garmin.com/forum/on-the- ... -in-course

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:52 pm

Hi OMB,

You have explained the Export to Garmin "turn warnings" but what about the screen bellow?
ST3 Turn Warning.JPG
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What does "toggle turn warning" do?

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:00 pm

Hi Old_Man

I'm still waiting your replay but after some testings I've realized that no matter if I toggle or not the "create turning warning" only few ones are created as follow:

ST3 turn warnings.jpg
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Also, you are missing types 16, 17 and 18.

I wish you could:

1) let us choose to create all types as "turning points" and not the ones above.
2) add the 3 missing ones.

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:30 pm

Sorry, but I won't add new features to the plugin any more.
And I won't adapt it to changes/enhancements Garmin has meanwhile made and for sure will make again to their devices and .FIT file formats/contents.

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:28 am

ok.

but could you at least please answer my post before the last one regarding turn warnings check box? So it has no effect to check it or not. I can mark all course_points but only eleven from the 22 available will be created including summits and valleys that specifically mentioned at settings-export-to-garmin.

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:28 am

Marcos Saad wrote:ok.

but could you at least please answer my post before the last one regarding turn warnings check box? So it has no effect to check it or not. I can mark all course_points but only eleven from the 22 available will be created including summits and valleys that specifically mentioned at settings-export-to-garmin.

Thank you,

If I remember right, you can use it to turn OFF turn warnings (by unchecking the box) for course points that would otherwise create a turn warning.

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:29 pm

Hi,

It says "create a turn warning" but it has no effect at all. Not to create nor to avoid.
Also the check box on the Export to Garmin says "warnings for Left/Right/Summit/Valley but if you look at file only right and left warning were created. Summit and Valley are not.

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:26 am

Pls. read my post above @ Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:09 pm
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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby Marcos Saad » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:42 pm

Sorry, I missed that one but I'm afraid the info is not correct.
The plug in doesn't even have the following icons (types) to be choosen:

CoursePointType.LeftFork
CoursePointType.RightFork
CoursePointType.MiddleFork

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Re: garmin export duplicates some course points

Postby old_man_biking » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:08 am

Sorry Marcos, but I won't contribute to this discussion any longer.
It's about details of a minuscule feature that you didn't even know about a few weeks ago.
The solution for your initially posted issue is simple: switch off this feature in the settings.

And a few posts above you yourself declared your case solved. I take you by your word.

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Marcos Saad wrote:Hi OMB,

At least for me the case is solved!
I've just learned from McBadger that Garmin Fenix 5x automatically generates warnings itself so I'll be able to disable the "turn warnings" function.
https://forums.garmin.com/forum/on-the- ... -in-course

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