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PissedOffCil
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 Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: Tracking trials |
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OK I feel I'm the only one who rides trials and tracks his training load doing so but maybe not so I figured I'd give it a try.
When riding trials, how do you measure your training load? Does anybody wear their HRM? Do you simply set a fixed amount of TRIMP points (as I do)? Do you set a given amount of TRIMP points per hour (so it varies a bit more)?
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I guess, in the same vein, how do you track equipment usage?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I assume you mean trails not time trials. Anyways, I would suggest a HR strap and track via TRIMP. Check with MechGT if TL will track both or is it one or the other. If it's one or the other then look at your history and convert TRIMP to an approximate TSS. Then seed the TSS value in custom fields. That should give you a good TSB when looking at power.
I use a Powermeter but don't do off road so I track by power in TL.
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If i would do this, trimp and tracking equipment would be the last of my concerns.  I guess i need a plugin to track how many times i broke a bone or how many bones at one time.
The last time i skated in a half pipe together with my daughter i tore my quadriceps off. Somekind of you became too old dady  . So i changed from free style to speed after a couple of weeks of problems with my legs. And my skills were certainly far, far, far behind the skills shown in the movie.
Regarding the tss, trimp etc. i don't know if HR based values gives good results if you want to know how fit you are. To my experience, although it has its influence, the adrenaline thrill made my HR faster going up than the way i felt exhausted.
On the other hand it gives a score of the impact of each activity on your body relative to each other. So maybe it is not exact suitable for answering the question how fit am i, but it certainly gives a mesure of the relative heaviness of an activity.
So why not wear a HR-belt and do some measuring and use the training load plugin. I don't know if you also do endurance sports, in that case, you maybe want a period in which you record the training load with and without the trial influence and see for yourself which of the load graphs gives the best result.
At the time i did my freestyle i didn't have a device which could send HR info to the computer so i can't give you any figures. Besides that i didn't do any speedwork at that time and my weight was aprox. +15kg regarding now. |
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Equipment is also tracked by time not only by distance, so you may set your trial equipement by time instead of distance. Definetly wear a HR strap you will get proper TRIMP readings as TRIMP is calculated by time in HR range.
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I'm a bit concerned about wearing the strap as you need 100% range of motion... Also, I seriously wonder how my HR varies since it's just very explosive efforts but so sporadic... I might give it a try to get a rough estimate
Yes I also do some endurance MTBing, but I do trials (I'm very very far from being that good, or event remotely good!) to help technical riding. So I know what a long ride feels like but then, again, it's so different. After 30-40 minutes of trials I have to stop because I get so tired muscularly that the risk of injury sky-rockets, yet I do 5+ hours endurance races... Go figure!
I'm currently tracking usage based on time. It is kind of irrelevent because a bad crash or bad timing and you split a chain in two (literally breaking a link, not the pins), whatever usage it had!
Anyways, any info is welcome thanks!
Edit: I'll also add that the 705 on the trials bike is cumbersome so I never used it...
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Definitely wear a HR strap, you won't even know it's there. HR lags behind the effort but overall you'll still get a reasonable TRIMP number.
Think about putting the 705 on the top tube by the headset. Hit start and forget about the darn thing. Even throw it in a pants pocket and grab the data later.
I'll be looking for a youtube video of PissedOffCil doing a trial to My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion. Hey it's a start.
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there are flexible HR-straps, they came with the 310, but as far as i know you can buy them separated.
I wouldn't use a 705 too, i've read somewhere you were looking for a used 305. That seems a better choice to me. BTW i also do some MTB with the use of my 305 for that. And, although we 've seen the ground very close a couple of times  , it still works. |
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I wouldn't bother wearing the HRM to be honest, I tried to get some useful data from my HRM when strength training in the gym (which should be quite similar I think), but the work periods were too short to give any data that was interesting. I was completely toasted afterwards, whereas the HR graph looked like I had been riding to the supermarket 
I'd track time only, and perhaps a manual TRIMP or other RPE value (Rate of Perceived Exertion, the Borg scale for example). |
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| fredrikw wrote: | I wouldn't bother wearing the HRM to be honest, I tried to get some useful data from my HRM when strength training in the gym (which should be quite similar I think), but the work periods were too short to give any data that was interesting. I was completely toasted afterwards, whereas the HR graph looked like I had been riding to the supermarket
I'd track time only, and perhaps a manual TRIMP or other RPE value (Rate of Perceived Exertion, the Borg scale for example). |
This is exactly what I expect and the reason I don't wwear the HRM at the gym too.
Muscular efforts and not tracked well with a HRM I believe.
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| dirk66 wrote: | there are flexible HR-straps, they came with the 310, but as far as i know you can buy them separated.
I wouldn't use a 705 too, i've read somewhere you were looking for a used 305. That seems a better choice to me. BTW i also do some MTB with the use of my 305 for that. And, although we 've seen the ground very close a couple of times , it still works. |
Yeah, a 305 would be way better than the 705, no doubt. I do have a spare 705 mount I could setup on the trials bike to give it a try but I don't expect good results.
P.S. It's kinda cool that people are trying to help me out! Would have I posted this on MTBR, I suspect I would have been totally ignored!
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The other option is the iPhone - esp if you have one anyway. Not ideal, but will slip into your jersey pocket quite easily - even if you decide to get a HR strap there is apparently an ANT+ app that communicates with these.
I haven't looked into it a hell of a lot, but hear some good things with some of the apps.
I do have an iPhone, but I've also gt my Edge 305 (which I actuall run with as well).
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