TRIMP Plugin

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

TRIMP Plugin for SportTracks

Author

Kristian Bisgaard Lassen (Contact by private message in the SportTracks forum)

Webpage

http://gpsrunning.nicolajsen.nl/?path=SportTracks%2FTRIMP

I hope you will enjoy this plugin !

[mazoaguirre]

hi, i had been use a trimp excell spreadsheet, that calculates the TRIMP, ATL and CTL and graphs togheter, and i noticed that your formula to calculates the double of my excel, there is more than one metod to calculate?

what parameterers take your formula?

if you want a copy of the excel i use, send me a PM, may be you are want to integrate the ATL and CTL wich mean the stress over a load of trainng and the Adaptation or fitness, and at least for it works for parameter about my fitness
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FR 310 Cadence Sensor and Foot Pod
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PB in Half 1:41:39 22 Mar 09

[gerhard]

Nice implementation, again.
I have not bothered with something like Trimp before, this makes it easy to try it.

When trying many activities I get an Exception. 72 activities was fine, 79 was not.
Workaround is easy (just split it up), hopefully it is easy to fix.


System.ArgumentException: An entry with the same key already exists.
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentException(ExceptionResource resource)
at System.Collections.Generic.SortedList`2.Add(TKey key, TValue value)
at SportTracksTRIMPPlugin.Source.TRIMPView.updateTable()
at SportTracksTRIMPPlugin.Source.TRIMPView..ctor(IList`1 activities, Boolean showDialog)
at SportTracksTRIMPPlugin.Source.TRIMPAction.Run(Rectangle rectButton)
at ZoneFiveSoftware.SportTracks.Actions.ActionMenuAction.popupItem_Select(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEventInteractive(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

Hi mazoaguirre,

I might be wrong about the TRIMP calculation. The TRIMP is calculated as described on this page: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/training-schedules.html. I calculate how much time in minutes spend in each zone (t1, ..., t5) and then calculate t1 + 2*t2 + ... + 5*t5 as the TRIMP value.

And about the excel spreadsheet, yes I would like to check it out. Perhaps, it could be integrated into the plugin, just send it on my email address K.B.Lassen@daimi.au.dk.

Cheers, Kristian

[mazoaguirre]

Kristian:

i send you the excel by mail


and about the error that get Gerhard i did already a try with 490 workouts for this year, and not error

and get the message about those ones that be exclude becuase not have HR
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FR 310 Cadence Sensor and Foot Pod
web made with Activity Documentation and Reporting Plugin

PB in Half 1:41:39 22 Mar 09

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

@mazoaguirre,

I have made a new version of the plugin (1.0.1) that now uses the Polar factors (1, 1.1, 1.2, 2.2, 4.5). Hopefully this will fix it.

@Gerhard

In the new version of the plugin I fixed a bug that relates to a bug that occurs if two activities have the exact same start time. Perhaps the exception you experienced will go away with this version -- otherwise let me know !

Cheers, Kristian

[gerhard]

Thanks, my problem was two activities with the same start time.

This occurred because I had merged two activities and left the original in the log book. Another indication that I should clean this up...

[mazoaguirre]

the new one, still have diferences, but pretty close, per example last 21 october, i ran a 10 K your plugins reposts a trimp of 207.9 and my excel gives me a 183.4 is pretty close on the other version it gave me a 400 and something


may be there is a sligthy diferences on settings, or some,

after i checked, i let ypou know if change

thanks,
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FR 310 Cadence Sensor and Foot Pod
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PB in Half 1:41:39 22 Mar 09

[DavidCHall]

It would appear that there some interesting variations in published methods to calculate TRIMPs. While all appear to produce a number that accounts for both duration and intensity of exercise, the actual number calculated will obviously vary depending on which formulae was used.

See: http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/taper1.php

Formulae: TRIMP = Duration * (Heart Rate exercise – heart rate rest) / (Heart rate maximum – heart rate rest)

Explanation: Note that the equation only includes beats above that which occur during rest. Therefore, it takes into account only the extra beats needed to perform exercise, not the beats needed to maintain a resting energy output. Heart Rate exercise – Heart Rate Rest is known as ‘Span Heart Rate’ while Heart rate maximum (found by subtracting the participants age from 220 ) – Heart rate rest is known as Delta Heart Rate(Banister, 1991). In abbreviated terms the equation can be written as follows

w(t) = Tim(min) * Delta Heart Rate Ratio
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[DavidCHall]

This site uses a method very similar to the calculation implemented by Kristian.

http://www.answers.com/topic/trimp-method

[podunk]

wow. that is so great. thank you very much.

maybe some feedback later. for now, just enjoying.

[trell]

The plugin is based on hr max, but what is hr max?
1 220 - age
2 some say is better karvonen fornula
3 hard test, but usually change by activity (running vs cycling..)
4 exercise max..
5 ...
where set hr max ? every day?

so without a valid customization (hr max , zone-range, ect) is not a good index

PS some national team use this:

http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/SportTracks/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=819&highlight=effort

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

Hi trell,

I use the latest maximal heart rate that is specified in the athlete information to calculate the zones.

And, for the link you have. I think it is a good idea to have several performance indicators, so I will consider implementing this as well. How would you specify the anaerobic threshold? As of what I can tell from a Google search it seems as if it varies quote a bit from untrained (55% of VO2-max) to the trained (80%-90% of VO2-max).

Cheers, Kristian

[trell]

[DavidCHall]

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

Currently, I am looking at implementing AST, CTL, and TSB functions into the TRIMP plugin (should really rename it ) that I got from Mario. If anyone knows other metrics for evaluating workouts that they find useful, please let me know and I will try an put it into the plugin.

Cheers, Kristian

[trell]

[gerhard]

Updated to 1.1.1, looking good. Configurable zones and all. (Hm do I have other needs and will that if so make an improvement?)

Just minor comments on the graph:
* The graph cut the sides of the activities. End should be adjustable.
* Graph label is %maxHR (just remove?)
* Date format should use system settings or have tooltip with system settings. I interpret 11-01 as 2008-11-01 (ISO format) so would Americans, but most Europeans would likely interpret it as Jan 11. I see that the list scales (activities for a year get labels like "Jan 11") so there is some more to it? This is tricky!

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

Hi Gerhard,

In the last version of the plugin (1.1.2) I have things you mention about the graphs not fitting size, and the graph label.

With regards to the date format I don't really know how to fix this since I use SportTracks build in graphs, and it does not appear that there is a nice way of fixing. I think this is something that should be improved in the SportTracks build in graph library (i.e. in the Formatter.DaysToDate class).

I am not sure what you mean by the end should be adjustable, can you elaborate on that?

Cheers, Kristian

[gerhard]

Regarding the "end cut". Only half of the bars on the side included. See the screenshot below:
http://hem.bredband.net/gerhardnospam/priv/trimp-week.PNG
To fix this (unimportant detail), a ST plugin API change will probably be required. Bar graphs need more space right/left of the graph than line graphs.
Edit: ST report bar graphs seems fine, they extend the start point?

Similar thing with date format. If there is only one month, the date should be sufficient. With two months the format should be like "Jan 12" (as used in longer time spans).

These comments should be added to the ST API comment list. Add your take to the list. With all plugins you have done, you may have some more comments...
Sidenote: This should probably be a ReportActivity page, if that API possibility existed.

[GAK]

Is it possible to use the custom HR Zones that are user setup for each different activity to calculate TRIMP in your plug-in? For example I have HR zones that are different for walking/Running and bicycle riding.

I love this plug-in more than my limited vocabulary can express!

THANKS

George

[cwareham]

Would be helpful to be able to edit TRIMP Plugin's 'Heart rate (BPM)' column so user could set heart zones that take into account resting heart rate rather than just a straight percentage of max heart rate.

Garmin Training Center lets you do this under 'User | Profile for...' (User Profile) and lets you set the bpm for 5 heart rate zones for 3 different activities (Running, Biking, and Other). Then Garmin TC uses these values to calculate the amount of time spent in each zone for each workout.

This would add some complication to your plugin but would be, imho, more accurate and customizable.

Great plugin. Use it a lot!

[Kristian Bisgaard Lassen]

@ George

I will put that suggestion on my todo list.

@cwareham

I am not completely sure what it is you want. Do you want e.g. a setting to say to use %max HR. or to use the manually entered BPM to calculate the time spend in each heart rate zone?
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[cwareham]

Just the ability to manually enter bpm range for each HR zone and then have the plugin use those values for the TRIMP calculation (i.e. "use the manually entered BPM to calculate the time spent in each heart rate zone").

Actually, with the equations from the first link below, user could enter max HR and resting HR and the bpm range values could be calculated rather than entering them manually. But the ability to enter them manually would give the user more control and fine tuning ability. Having both options would be ideal.

Here are some links about calculating HR zones using max and resting HR.

Equations for HR zones using resting HR:
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/hrm1.htm

Calculator:
http://www.runningforfitness.org/calc/hrzones.php

Polar also uses resting HR for HR zones (although this link does not give the equations):
http://www.polarusa.com/targetzone/default.asp

Thanks again for a great plugin!

[showDown]

Kristian, thank´s for several great plugins!
So far i have a problem with the options of TRIMP plugin.
I use my own factors for 8 zones starting at 60%.

My factors are decimal as 1 - 1,1 - 1,2 - 1,6 - 2,2 - 3 - 4,5 - 6

I tried the decimal format with "," or ".".
It seems to work with "." but after restarting ST2 i loose the decimal points and get the values 1 - 11 - 12 -16 -22 - 3 - 45 - 6 and have to edit again and again every restart.

Are decimal factors not allowed in TRIMP or how can i solve the problem.
I use a german XP installation - is this maybe the problem?

Thank´s for any help

regards,
Heiko