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Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:11 am

Hello,

I have downloaded waypoint from the 910XT with your plugin without problem. But when I try to upload modified or new waypoints to the device, it doesn't work with both Ant+ Agent and Garmin connection tool. I have a message on the computer telling me that it was transfered, but there is no waypoints on my watch.

Do I something wrong?

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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby old_man_biking » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:03 am

How do you export to the device? Do you use "Export to Garmin" action or do you export to a file and manually push that to the device?
If you use 2., which file type to you use, .FIT or .TCX? Only .FIT should be interpreted by the 910.
If you use 2., try 1.
If you use 1., there should be a .FIT file in path "C:\Users\<YOUR_NAME>\AppData\Roaming\Garmin\Devices\<YOUR_DEVICE_NO>\NewFiles" after the W&C plugin has finished. Zip and attach that to your post, please.
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:49 pm

Hello I have used "export to garmin" via ANT+ and via "Garmin Communicator Plugin" without success.
You will see attached the *.fit file from the path "C:\Users\<YOUR_NAME>\AppData\Roaming\Garmin\Devices\<YOUR_DEVICE_NO>\NewFiles".

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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby old_man_biking » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:21 am

I don't own a 910XT, so I've uploaded your very file to the "Garmin\New Files" directory of my edge800 - and it worked like a charm - the locations are visible on my edge.

Some Googling revealed the cause of your issue: it' seems to be a problem of the 910XT,
see here, for example: http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index. ... pic=291210

Sorry buddy,
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:41 pm

Thank you for your test!

I have asked the garmin support and they told me that's impossible to download or upload waypoints to the 910XT watch. For me it's a shame and that make angry! I have asked to correct that in a next firmware without an answer...

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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby old_man_biking » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:20 am

The device description file on the 910XT (GarminDevice.xml) claims that waypoints can be downloaded and uploaded. So the missing upload functionality can be called a bug, not a feature.

There are other examples where outdoor features don't work for fitness devices or v.v. Examples can be found in the Garmin forums.
It seems as if there are several development teams at Garmin, one for outdoor devices, one for sports, ..., which do not talk much to each other.
Or it's with full purpose. If you want to have waypoints: buy a Garmin fenix on top of your 910XT.
Quite a shame.
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:02 pm

I don't see anything about waypoint in my GarminDevice.xml file (see attached file). In which folder do I found the downloaded *.fit file containing the device waypoints?

I have also the opinion that's more a bug than a missing functionality!

Do you thing that's could be technically possible to correct this problem within a new firmware?

On my old FR305 watch, there was no problem for uploading waypoint. Googling the follower watch, the FR310XT, I have found that the waypoint uploading is also not supported!
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby old_man_biking » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:06 am

The waypoint file type is called "FIT_FILETYPE_8", or similar.
Of course this could be fixed by a new firmware.
Taking into account that Garmin had time to fix this since the old days of the 310, I wouldn't bet on a proper fix in due time.

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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:04 am

Thank you for your answer! Do you know where is garmindevice.xml file documented?

I will ask for correcting this transfer problem with the garmindevice.xml description as argument. Should I ask my country support or do you have a bether idea for contacting Garmin?

I have other complaints regarding the watch:
-When I am following a saved course, it tell me that I am not on the way although my "arrow" is on the track!
-Suddently, there is nothing on the map screen and the course take about 10 sec to redraw
-The watch switch off suddently. When I switch it on, my activity is still there, but not the course!

It's like the watch programming is bungled!
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Tisztul_A_Visztula » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:36 pm

old_man_biking wrote:The waypoint file type is called "FIT_FILETYPE_8", or similar.
Of course this could be fixed by a new firmware.
Taking into account that Garmin had time to fix this since the old days of the 310, I wouldn't bet on a proper fix in due time.

Cheers,
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It is a definitely a bug, today I burnt 3 hours of mine, but failed. I tried to use Garmin's Training Center and TcxConverter coded by an Italian guy, I even used www.gpsies.com/convert.do to backtest, and definitely I could prepare the proper .fit file with the waypoints, the upload was succesful said by ANT Agent. Only 910XT was not able to receive the data in fact.
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:35 pm

I have used the contact form to complaint me to Garmin. I had no answer... They are not strong for communication! It's like they don't want to lose time for solving such problem. Lot of user of the 910xt are using the watch for recording here sport activities and are happy. But some users like me are using the training functionalities like interval and the navigation functionalities for hiking in the mountain. It's very frustrating to be restricted by lazy programmers who are doing bungled job!

But don't hesitate to contact garmin for complaining. If nobody does, they certainly minds that everything is perfect!
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Tisztul_A_Visztula » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:20 pm

Pls dont underestimate me :-) appr 10-15 emails to garmin about 910xt bugs and inconsistencies.
Let me give you, khmmmm, let's say, Mr. OMB as a reference about my stubborness ;-)
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Tisztul_A_Visztula » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:22 pm

Have you ever checked Garmin forum or dcr's review about 910xt?

Garmin knows very well these problems, but they even neglect "bug polls" with around 400 voters.
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby old_man_biking » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:09 am

Tisztul_A_Visztula wrote:...
Let me give you, khmmmm, let's say, Mr. OMB as a reference about my stubborness ;-)


Yes, I can give him the best certificate in this respect. Only an old donkey would perform better :lol:
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Tisztul_A_Visztula » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:37 am

FYI a new firmware for 910XT is out. It seems that they addressed at least half of my complaints. Heee-haw! Heee-haw! :-)

https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.ph ... post197187

If elevation stairs is over then I am a happy camper.
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Janovski » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:10 pm

Nothing new about waypoint transfer in the firmware 2.80 ... :?:
Not too much job done in 6 months between vers. 2.70 and 2.80!
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

Postby Tisztul_A_Visztula » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:45 pm

It was 7 and half.
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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

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Re: Upload Waypoint to Garmin FR 910XT

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