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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:10 am
by racerfern
#1 I also look forward to ST 3.0 as right now the Training Planner has to store the info in a separate file. Although the Training Planner does successfully store and track changes in FTP and Threshold HR over time.

#2 I don't know how you're going to mix cycling activities with other types. Right now WKO allows manual adjustments just like TL does with TRIMP=xxx

TRIMP and TSS are on a similar scale but certainly not equal (but they're very close). TSS requires that you know your FTP for calculation purposes, so once you know FTP and average power all the other metrics can be calculated.

I think that unless your doing duathlons or triathlons the amount of TRIMP/TSS generated for non cycling exercise for most cycling people is neglgible. Did I say that right? And I think that people that do a varied amount of running/swimming/cycling for the fun of it aren't all that concerned about TRIMP or TSB scores.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:50 am
by mechgt
I really want approach this from a general perspective rather than a cyclists (or runners) perspective. In my experience cycling translates very well to running, but running does not translate to cycling. It wasn't by design, but I've set several PBs in running races where my training has been almost exclusively cycling. The point of that is that if I have a half-marathon coming up, then all of my cycling work is (IMO) just as applicable as my running, so I really do need a way to display multiple sports on the same chart.

Maybe the solution is not to combine TRIMP and TSS scores... Maybe have a HR or Power option. Power might use the GOVSS algorithm and FTPrunning, and cycling would use FTPcycling.

Alternatively (in HR mode) you could look at TRIMP for all sports. I really do wish I could find a good way to combine these though.

Or... maybe you can combine them if you apply a linear scaling factor to the TRIMP calcs to adjust it down?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:50 am
by racerfern

HR ZONES

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:30 am
by ricca
Hi guys,

sorry but still haven't got a 100% of the HR Zones settings.....
Single Zones/ Dynamic zones factors.... :oops:

and ...I have set my custom own zones on my Garmin 310xt...should I change them on the Training Load settings page as well?!?

P.S. this is the most addictive and interesting plugin ever released on ST !!!!! :wink:

Re: HR ZONES

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:32 am
by HENNES
ricca wrote:P.S. this is the most addictive and interesting plugin ever released on ST !!!!! :wink:


Probably as nobody understands how to really use it :lol: :evil:

But it does look scientific, so keep twisting those numbers.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:49 pm
by rameter
First of all, great plugin. I've been muttling through setting it up over the past couple days. I'm really impressed so far. I've also spent the time to read through this thread before posting my dumb questions.

My immediate issue is that my TSS scores are blank and all my power data too. Where do I have to input something to fix this? And I'm not sure what "skinfold" is. My "Training Load - Power" graphs are blank.

BTW, a great book (for runners) on the analysis and training using these concepts is "The Runner's Edge". Its authored by Matt Fitzgerald and Stephen McGregor. Mechgt, you may want to look at this book for ideas on incorporating runningTSS. He breaks down the calculation. These are the guys behind WKO+.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:22 pm
by mechgt
rameter wrote:My immediate issue is that my TSS scores are blank and all my power data too. Where do I have to input something to fix this? And I'm not sure what "skinfold" is. My "Training Load - Power" graphs are blank.


TSS is a power based calculation. In order to calculate a TSS score, you'll need
#1 a power track for the activity
#2 FTP over time entered in one of the athlete fields (this is what I used 'Skinfold' for, since skinfold was otherwise meaningless to myself)

FTP is basically your 1 hour power at full intensity. All of this (TSS) is generally geared toward cyclists. I have good intentions to expand this more for runners, but for now TRIMP will probably be your best bet for running.